1 00:00:54,270 --> 00:00:51,750 you're listening to psychologies Outer 2 00:01:06,480 --> 00:00:54,280 Limits with your host professor of 3 00:01:09,029 --> 00:01:06,490 psychology Eric R Williams good evening 4 00:01:11,309 --> 00:01:09,039 good afternoon and everything in between 5 00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:11,319 welcome to psychologies Outer Limits I 6 00:01:16,139 --> 00:01:14,200 am your host professor Eric Williams and 7 00:01:19,290 --> 00:01:16,149 we are broadcasting via the inception 8 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:19,300 radio network calm I hope everyone's 9 00:01:24,150 --> 00:01:22,660 having a good weekend we got a lot of 10 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:24,160 rain here on the East Coast 11 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:27,550 first with was a the remnants of bill 12 00:01:32,330 --> 00:01:29,800 and then yesterday we got most three 13 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:32,340 inches of rain that was pretty amazing 14 00:01:37,169 --> 00:01:35,050 let's see let's go through all the ways 15 00:01:39,449 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have we have a new email address 44 00:03:06,910 --> 00:03:03,850 because we all wanted to be on the same 45 00:03:10,470 --> 00:03:06,920 the same network so the new email 46 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:10,480 address is busy brain radio at gmail.com 47 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:13,430 busy brain rate video at gmail.com 48 00:03:19,180 --> 00:03:16,340 because we all have busy brains so I 49 00:03:24,010 --> 00:03:19,190 thought that'd be a great a great one 50 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:24,020 and now stay tuned after this show at 51 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:26,260 nine o'clock we have more live radio 52 00:03:33,270 --> 00:03:30,590 paying radio and MJ and Ken will have on 53 00:03:35,770 --> 00:03:33,280 yes Andrey Adrian I believe Lea and 54 00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:35,780 Lorna hunter and they will be discussing 55 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:38,960 their paranormal research as well as the 56 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:42,050 upcoming Minnesota Paracon so again 57 00:03:48,820 --> 00:03:45,940 that's this is at 9 p.m. Eastern 6 p.m. 58 00:03:52,180 --> 00:03:48,830 Pacific so stay tuned for more great 59 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:52,190 library video and next week have a bit 60 00:03:57,370 --> 00:03:55,250 of a surprise or I don't know if it's a 61 00:03:59,050 --> 00:03:57,380 surprise it's interesting we're gonna 62 00:04:00,640 --> 00:03:59,060 have a guest next week so the show is 63 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:00,650 gonna go a little longer it's gonna go 64 00:04:05,050 --> 00:04:03,290 about an hour and a half and our our 65 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:05,060 guest is gonna be Anthony Cummins 66 00:04:11,650 --> 00:04:08,510 currently resides in Italy and Anthony 67 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:11,660 is a retired pirate and I mean pirate 68 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:13,900 like you know about on the high seas and 69 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:16,880 doing things Pirates do very out of the 70 00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:20,650 ordinary he has a lot of stories to tell 71 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:26,390 he's worked for companies he's worked 72 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:28,400 for bad guys that he said he can't talk 73 00:04:32,890 --> 00:04:30,440 about if he wants to continue to be 74 00:04:35,710 --> 00:04:32,900 alive he's worked for the scene 75 00:04:38,170 --> 00:04:35,720 yes I'm looking forward to his his 76 00:04:40,750 --> 00:04:38,180 stories and he also said that he has a 77 00:04:42,910 --> 00:04:40,760 couple stories about a UFO is crashing 78 00:04:45,070 --> 00:04:42,920 into the ocean so I think that would be 79 00:04:47,470 --> 00:04:45,080 particularly interesting so next week 80 00:04:49,660 --> 00:04:47,480 we're gonna be on from 7 o'clock to 8:30 81 00:04:53,020 --> 00:04:49,670 we'll do a half hour of Psych stuff and 82 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:53,030 then we'll spend in that hour with I 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:55,070 don't know if it's captain Cummings or 84 00:05:00,340 --> 00:04:56,930 what but I'll find out between now and 85 00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:00,350 then and then tonight if someone's brave 86 00:05:05,380 --> 00:05:03,080 enough to call in we have our contest 87 00:05:06,910 --> 00:05:05,390 I'm gonna try to have one every week 88 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:06,920 I'll explain that in a bit but this 89 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:10,370 week's contest is for a a portable 90 00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:14,450 Bluetooth speaker I have a sort of a 91 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:18,350 hobby with all of these hot deals sites 92 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:21,530 where people post deals and I mean I get 93 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:24,020 stuff anywhere from free me to a buck I 94 00:05:27,940 --> 00:05:26,510 got a whole box of stuff so I can take 95 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:27,950 things out of there and we can do 96 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:30,560 contests so all you got to do is call in 97 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:33,290 anytime during the show at eight eight 98 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:36,230 eight nine one nine two two three five 99 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:39,740 five and last week we talked about the 100 00:05:47,290 --> 00:05:45,290 world's most prominent disorder which is 101 00:05:48,940 --> 00:05:47,300 depression I'm trying to make this 102 00:05:51,190 --> 00:05:48,950 really easy so the answer to the 103 00:05:54,490 --> 00:05:51,200 question is depression so call in 104 00:05:59,670 --> 00:05:54,500 anytime during the show and NJ will get 105 00:06:02,800 --> 00:05:59,680 you on and we will we won't get the 106 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:02,810 price shipped out to you I mean how much 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:04,910 easier can it get you dial a number and 108 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:07,610 you get a free thing that's pretty good 109 00:06:17,530 --> 00:06:10,910 this week's disorder is OCD I think 110 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:17,540 someone put sociopaths on Facebook but 111 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:20,150 and we are going to do sociopaths that's 112 00:06:25,030 --> 00:06:22,850 going to take a little more work on my 113 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:25,040 part as a very complicated disorder is 114 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:28,580 so is OCD but I do want to cover OCD we 115 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:32,570 have our usual review of research during 116 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:37,940 the week and to start the show I'm gonna 117 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:39,470 keep track of the chat room here because 118 00:06:44,980 --> 00:06:41,090 I want to see what you guys have to say 119 00:06:45,930 --> 00:06:44,990 I was thinking about pet peeves this 120 00:06:50,220 --> 00:06:45,940 week 121 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:50,230 what are your pet peeves are they do 122 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:51,730 they have to do with things people do 123 00:06:58,830 --> 00:06:55,450 around the house is it someone not 124 00:07:00,570 --> 00:06:58,840 leaving the toilet seat up or down mine 125 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:00,580 has always been people that won't use 126 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:03,130 turn signals I mean you get before one 127 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:05,170 intersection and you don't know what to 128 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:07,930 do because it seems like if someone 129 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:09,850 doesn't have their turn signals on 130 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:11,770 they're gonna go straight but you know a 131 00:07:16,410 --> 00:07:13,360 high percentage of the time they'll turn 132 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:16,420 left or right they'll they'll make rapid 133 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:19,540 lane lane changes drives me nuts them 134 00:07:28,290 --> 00:07:25,570 Jay hates that one too good but so I'm 135 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:28,300 curious what your what your pet peeves 136 00:07:34,590 --> 00:07:30,370 are and actually the driving one is a 137 00:07:36,570 --> 00:07:34,600 little worrisome you know I I I had I 138 00:07:38,730 --> 00:07:36,580 forget how I came across this but you 139 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:38,740 know if you're in a rear-end accident 140 00:07:43,770 --> 00:07:41,020 you're automatically at fault if you're 141 00:07:45,630 --> 00:07:43,780 the if you're the person that's in the 142 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:45,640 back you know if it's your bumper that 143 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:48,100 hit it's the person in front of you is 144 00:07:51,990 --> 00:07:49,810 rear bumper you're automatically at 145 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:52,000 fault and then I found out that 146 00:07:58,110 --> 00:07:54,810 insurance companies are are now 147 00:07:59,940 --> 00:07:58,120 accepting dashcams as evidence because 148 00:08:03,330 --> 00:07:59,950 you know how someone could cut you off 149 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:03,340 and basically take out you know the 150 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:04,960 front of your car but when the police 151 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:06,790 gets there they don't know what happened 152 00:08:14,190 --> 00:08:12,220 yet for for a review for the dashcam I 153 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:14,200 bought this guy told a great story he 154 00:08:19,530 --> 00:08:16,510 was he was sitting at a traffic light 155 00:08:22,830 --> 00:08:19,540 and there was a driver in front of him 156 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:22,840 and she was in a really big SUV like one 157 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:25,840 of those urban assault vehicle types and 158 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:27,400 she was gonna make a right turn on red 159 00:08:31,980 --> 00:08:29,860 so she gets about halfway out on the 160 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:31,990 intersection and for some reason changes 161 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:35,130 are mine so she puts that big gigantic 162 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:37,710 vehicle from Hell in the reverse and 163 00:08:43,950 --> 00:08:40,960 comes back and it Elaine and it just 164 00:08:46,350 --> 00:08:43,960 smashes into this guy's front end well 165 00:08:47,820 --> 00:08:46,360 when the police get there she tells him 166 00:08:50,730 --> 00:08:47,830 that she was just sitting there waiting 167 00:08:55,620 --> 00:08:50,740 for the light and he pulled forward and 168 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:55,630 you know hit her her tail he was really 169 00:08:59,730 --> 00:08:58,210 astounded but he just let her tell his 170 00:09:01,980 --> 00:08:59,740 story and then he told the police 171 00:09:03,930 --> 00:09:01,990 in his glory and then the policeman said 172 00:09:05,790 --> 00:09:03,940 well you know lacking any evidence 173 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:05,800 there's not much I can do and that's 174 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:08,860 when he says oh I have a dashcam and he 175 00:09:13,650 --> 00:09:10,330 says he wished he'd had a picture of 176 00:09:15,620 --> 00:09:13,660 that that lady had that oh he was a 177 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:15,630 backup or that oh [\h__\h] look on her face 178 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:18,880 so she got tickets for the bad driving 179 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:21,160 and she got one for lying to an officer 180 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:23,050 but anyway you know you just put it up 181 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:24,970 on your windshield and it just keeps 182 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:27,850 looping I have mine set to do ten minute 183 00:09:34,590 --> 00:09:32,080 loops and I mean God you can get days 184 00:09:39,300 --> 00:09:34,600 worth of loops on there and if you're in 185 00:09:40,890 --> 00:09:39,310 if if it's senses as a g-force sensor if 186 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:40,900 it senses something's hit your car it 187 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:42,430 will lock that loop so it can't be 188 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:45,970 written over but it's also just fun for 189 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:48,160 when you see really crazy driving of 190 00:09:51,390 --> 00:09:49,570 course once you buy one of these like 191 00:09:53,310 --> 00:09:51,400 idea you know you'll see crazy driving 192 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:53,320 anymore do what I do I'm gonna put some 193 00:09:59,700 --> 00:09:55,300 of it up on YouTube because I think that 194 00:10:01,410 --> 00:09:59,710 would be fun let's see Jim Bob problem I 195 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:01,420 have is when I talk to people and asked 196 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:03,370 him about turn signal was they think 197 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:04,930 turn signals are optional yeah and they 198 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:08,200 do I mean I took driver's ed a long time 199 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:10,930 ago and then 74 this is back when you 200 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:13,990 still had to learn to put your arms out 201 00:10:21,780 --> 00:10:16,660 you know I don't but I think these days 202 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:21,790 you have to use the actual ones let's 203 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:23,470 say American Road Warner people 204 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:25,570 believing in chemtrails and that aliens 205 00:10:29,180 --> 00:10:28,420 make crop circles that's one of his pet 206 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:29,190 peeves 207 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:34,480 I you know no I don't know there's any 208 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:36,010 research on pet peeves probably 209 00:10:42,330 --> 00:10:39,310 something I should look up okay let's 210 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:42,340 take a look at when I found this week 211 00:10:48,420 --> 00:10:45,130 first of all as in our fact she's in the 212 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:48,430 chat room Elizabeth Adkins huesemann 213 00:10:53,850 --> 00:10:51,610 her favorite thing is llamas that's why 214 00:10:58,110 --> 00:10:53,860 it was a picture of a lava and she is 215 00:11:00,870 --> 00:10:58,120 also my future what if future wife 216 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:00,880 actually was choking when I said that 217 00:11:05,970 --> 00:11:03,910 means something okay anyway she sent me 218 00:11:07,410 --> 00:11:05,980 an article I thought it was neat so this 219 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:07,420 won't let us this whole let us talk 220 00:11:12,510 --> 00:11:11,170 about sociopaths a little bit and you 221 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:12,520 know just really really briefly a 222 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:13,630 sociopath 223 00:11:18,330 --> 00:11:17,050 a person that has absolutely no moral 224 00:11:21,330 --> 00:11:18,340 compass 225 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:21,340 nothing is wrong they don't feel guilt 226 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:24,850 they have no empathy there they just do 227 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:26,410 what they want and they don't feel bad 228 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:29,730 about it but what I got was this list of 229 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:35,530 professions that had the most amount of 230 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:38,170 psychopathy and the least amount of 231 00:11:42,390 --> 00:11:40,480 psychopathy so first let's go through 232 00:11:45,770 --> 00:11:42,400 this list of people that have the 233 00:11:48,690 --> 00:11:45,780 highest amount of psychopathy okay and 234 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:48,700 and maybe you're one of them I don't 235 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:52,630 know let's say number one is CEO you 236 00:11:57,660 --> 00:11:55,270 know I think to be a CEO you do have to 237 00:11:59,270 --> 00:11:57,670 have a little bit of crazy in you number 238 00:12:04,530 --> 00:11:59,280 two is lawyer 239 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:04,540 number three is media TV / radio okay I 240 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:06,610 guess MJ and I and a few others have to 241 00:12:10,410 --> 00:12:08,710 own up to that one but I think they're 242 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:10,420 talking about the really big people 243 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:14,530 number four is salesperson number five 244 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:16,600 is surge and that one really surprised 245 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:17,650 me 246 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:20,260 number six was a journal most that one 247 00:12:24,750 --> 00:12:21,550 did not surprise me 248 00:12:27,150 --> 00:12:24,760 number seven is police officer I'm not 249 00:12:29,310 --> 00:12:27,160 sure how I feel about that I meet a lot 250 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:29,320 of police officers that are really nice 251 00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:32,470 and then I run across a son that I think 252 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:34,000 went into the field just so they could 253 00:12:37,620 --> 00:12:35,080 push people around 254 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:37,630 number eight this one might surprise you 255 00:12:42,390 --> 00:12:39,700 no we're talking about perfet the ten 256 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:42,400 professions out of thousands most likely 257 00:12:47,310 --> 00:12:44,590 to have a sociopath number eight it is a 258 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:47,320 clergy person isn't that interesting 259 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:50,770 number nine is a chef that can't aim out 260 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:53,770 of nowhere and number ten is civil 261 00:13:00,660 --> 00:12:57,850 servant and anyone who's ever had to 262 00:13:03,630 --> 00:13:00,670 call Motor Vehicles or talk to the IRS 263 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:03,640 probably doesn't have any problem 264 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:05,410 believing that all right now let's 265 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:07,630 switch over to the nice list these are 266 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:11,590 people least likely they have to be 267 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:13,870 sociopaths we act these days we call it 268 00:13:18,570 --> 00:13:16,210 antisocial personality disorder but 269 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:18,580 anyway here's our list of professions 270 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:20,050 that have the least amount of 271 00:13:27,499 --> 00:13:24,610 psychopathy care aid is number one 272 00:13:30,660 --> 00:13:27,509 number two is nerve 273 00:13:31,949 --> 00:13:30,670 number three is therapist well that puts 274 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:31,959 me on both lists 275 00:13:36,359 --> 00:13:34,480 I'm gonna go with the therapist just one 276 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:36,369 because I like being a good guy number 277 00:13:42,809 --> 00:13:40,720 four the crafts person number five I was 278 00:13:44,429 --> 00:13:42,819 a beautician slash stylist well you know 279 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:44,439 they're often kind of therapist too 280 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:45,850 aren't they because they they like the 281 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:50,290 chat number six is charity worker number 282 00:13:57,530 --> 00:13:53,649 seven is teacher number eight is 283 00:14:01,169 --> 00:13:57,540 creative artist number nine is doctor 284 00:14:03,869 --> 00:14:01,179 but then a subset of doctors surgeons or 285 00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:03,879 a psychopath finishing and number 10 is 286 00:14:09,169 --> 00:14:06,399 accountant so that's our list of 287 00:14:12,539 --> 00:14:09,179 professions with the least and most 288 00:14:17,579 --> 00:14:12,549 number of psychopaths and I thought that 289 00:14:22,739 --> 00:14:17,589 was pretty interesting what else was 290 00:14:26,999 --> 00:14:22,749 going on this week what is the okay a 291 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:27,009 little bit of the paranormal here yeah 292 00:14:30,389 --> 00:14:28,959 this was a very short article and if I 293 00:14:33,179 --> 00:14:30,399 found that kind of interest in this 294 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:33,189 thing what is the best kind of evidence 295 00:14:37,650 --> 00:14:35,649 of some sort of afterlife and I think 296 00:14:40,859 --> 00:14:37,660 we're all interested in this first of 297 00:14:44,669 --> 00:14:40,869 all especially in our society Western 298 00:14:46,199 --> 00:14:44,679 society we are terrified of death and we 299 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:46,209 go through a lot of trouble to avoid 300 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:49,660 talking about death and when we even 301 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:51,730 make funerals seem like the person still 302 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:54,970 alive I mean my gosh the caskets I see 303 00:14:59,069 --> 00:14:57,610 you look nicer than my bed so now we 304 00:15:03,689 --> 00:14:59,079 treat dead people like they're still 305 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:03,699 alive but what he's exploring is you 306 00:15:10,439 --> 00:15:06,910 know what could be the best kind of 307 00:15:12,749 --> 00:15:10,449 evidence and he's he says I'm not a 308 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:12,759 historian neither am i an anthropologist 309 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:15,850 but I assume that even and today more 310 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,410 people in the world believe in some kind 311 00:15:22,590 --> 00:15:19,600 of a from afterlife and I believe there 312 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:22,600 are statistics to back that up but you 313 00:15:27,329 --> 00:15:25,209 know how could we know then it goes on 314 00:15:29,009 --> 00:15:27,339 to say being more scientifically 315 00:15:31,710 --> 00:15:29,019 inclined and not being raised in a 316 00:15:34,379 --> 00:15:31,720 religious family I'm not taking the 317 00:15:37,169 --> 00:15:34,389 claims brought by them at face value 318 00:15:39,010 --> 00:15:37,179 so he's he's acting like a scientist he 319 00:15:41,830 --> 00:15:39,020 wants evidence 320 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:41,840 he says well there's mediumship and 321 00:15:48,190 --> 00:15:44,450 various related phenomena like automatic 322 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:48,200 writing like I said be like a Ouija 323 00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:50,810 board but they points out that he has no 324 00:16:00,760 --> 00:15:58,630 seances doesn't turn them on and and and 325 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:00,770 me and and they don't do much for me 326 00:16:06,220 --> 00:16:03,410 either because again I just I just 327 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:06,230 they're they're just not scientific 328 00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:10,490 enough there is a lot of research done 329 00:16:16,930 --> 00:16:14,480 on near-death experiences and I show a 330 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:16,940 short video in class on their death 331 00:16:21,550 --> 00:16:19,100 experience but you can kind of induce 332 00:16:24,330 --> 00:16:21,560 them you know those g-force things I 333 00:16:26,830 --> 00:16:24,340 spin astronauts in until they pass out 334 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:26,840 well right before they go into what they 335 00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:30,230 call I think gravity lock they they seem 336 00:16:34,810 --> 00:16:32,270 to experience what people experience 337 00:16:37,510 --> 00:16:34,820 right before death a bright narrowing 338 00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:37,520 light so that could simply be what the 339 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:39,950 brain does when it's turning off but 340 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:42,530 still you know people have remarkable 341 00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:44,510 near-death experience stories to tell 342 00:16:48,450 --> 00:16:46,520 and then here's one I really hadn't 343 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:48,460 heard of before but maybe you folks have 344 00:16:55,390 --> 00:16:53,570 death-bed visions he doesn't think that 345 00:16:55,930 --> 00:16:55,400 there's an acronym for that what would 346 00:17:02,350 --> 00:16:55,940 that be 347 00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:02,360 DB V so I don't know anyway people that 348 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:04,700 are talking about visions I suppose as 349 00:17:10,510 --> 00:17:08,570 they die he goes on in the article 350 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:10,520 anyway a new term for this was coined by 351 00:17:15,670 --> 00:17:13,010 Raymond Moody the famous author of life 352 00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:15,680 after life and he called him shared and 353 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:19,100 E's a shared and the e is when a non 354 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:22,370 dying person is experiencing the passing 355 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:24,370 away of another one close to him 356 00:17:28,750 --> 00:17:26,990 physically or emotionally these are 357 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:28,760 interesting and that they happen not the 358 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:32,360 people who are dying themselves that is 359 00:17:36,340 --> 00:17:34,490 their bodies are not malfunctioning so 360 00:17:39,490 --> 00:17:36,350 that's pretty interesting and he points 361 00:17:42,610 --> 00:17:39,500 out that CNN recently did an article 362 00:17:45,540 --> 00:17:42,620 about this it's called beyond goodbye so 363 00:17:48,220 --> 00:17:45,550 you could go to see and then searched on 364 00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:48,230 beyond goodbye and then the last thing 365 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:50,390 he talks about his EVP 366 00:17:57,460 --> 00:17:54,050 I'm sure that almost anyone that listens 367 00:18:00,670 --> 00:17:57,470 to inception radio his network is 368 00:18:02,830 --> 00:18:00,680 familiar with EVPs you know I mean what 369 00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:02,840 do you think what would be convincing 370 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:05,600 evidence for you of an afterlife I mean 371 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:07,780 I think a lot of us believe in afterlife 372 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:11,450 I'm just based on faith but you know 373 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:13,250 what about some evidence I think that 374 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:16,250 would be pretty interesting let's see 375 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:18,250 what's going on here in the chat room 376 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:21,410 okay this is something somebody needs to 377 00:18:28,030 --> 00:18:24,710 call in and pick up your phone dial the 378 00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,040 numbers and win this this Bluetooth 379 00:18:34,930 --> 00:18:30,400 speaker number is eight eight eight nine 380 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:34,940 one nine two three five five okay 381 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:38,150 so just call in and you don't have to 382 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:39,950 stay on long if you're shy just long 383 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,650 enough to say hi and sing the word 384 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:44,720 depression and then I'll hand you back 385 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:46,850 to MJ and he'll get your mailing address 386 00:18:53,650 --> 00:18:51,190 okay so hopefully somebody will call in 387 00:18:59,470 --> 00:18:53,660 all right what's so what else is going 388 00:19:02,430 --> 00:18:59,480 on here Alzheimer's and I teach a class 389 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:02,440 and at least once a semester on 390 00:19:07,690 --> 00:19:05,090 Alzheimer's which is a kind of dementia 391 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:07,700 and you know one of the things that were 392 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:10,010 research is really starting to tell us 393 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:13,730 about Alzheimer's is that is that if if 394 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:20,000 we use our brain in novel ways we may 395 00:19:25,390 --> 00:19:22,760 avoid Alzheimer's you know it's rare for 396 00:19:28,030 --> 00:19:25,400 a person with a graduate degree to have 397 00:19:30,490 --> 00:19:28,040 Alzheimer's in the famous nun study 398 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:30,500 where they I think I talked about this 399 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:31,910 before where they looked at the brains 400 00:19:36,940 --> 00:19:33,950 of nuns who had taught their whole lives 401 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:36,950 these were very healthy-looking brains 402 00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,050 of you know women who had taught their 403 00:19:44,110 --> 00:19:41,600 their whole life but anyway a new study 404 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:44,120 suggests a relatively easy way to gauge 405 00:19:49,210 --> 00:19:45,890 whether people are more likely to wind 406 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:49,220 up with an outside Alzheimer's diagnosis 407 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:51,290 as far as 18 years down the road and 408 00:19:55,170 --> 00:19:53,270 this is by giving the memory and 409 00:19:59,140 --> 00:19:55,180 thinking test and they did this for 410 00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,150 2,000 people an average age of 73 who 411 00:20:03,529 --> 00:20:01,840 did not yet have an Alzheimer's 412 00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:03,539 diagnosis 413 00:20:09,109 --> 00:20:06,389 and the the predictive variable was were 414 00:20:11,509 --> 00:20:09,119 low scorers on the mental skills test 415 00:20:14,239 --> 00:20:11,519 but I think this goes back to my 416 00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,249 argument that if you use your brain if 417 00:20:18,859 --> 00:20:17,039 you surfed a net and read new things and 418 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:18,869 you play games and you use your brain 419 00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:21,210 then you're not gonna score low on these 420 00:20:25,999 --> 00:20:23,220 tests to begin with so this is almost 421 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:26,009 like a correlation there really isn't a 422 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:28,350 direct causative effect between the two 423 00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:30,690 variables there's there something that's 424 00:20:36,379 --> 00:20:33,720 that's in between I'll keep a better eye 425 00:20:38,389 --> 00:20:36,389 over here on this other computer anyway 426 00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,399 I do believe that your brain is I use it 427 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:40,559 or lose it proposition and if you you 428 00:20:47,749 --> 00:20:45,809 lose your brain if you do things like go 429 00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,759 you know you're like start from the net 430 00:20:51,169 --> 00:20:49,200 you end up in all sorts of weird places 431 00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:51,179 and your brain has to work harder but 432 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:54,179 it's not familiar with the material or 433 00:20:59,259 --> 00:20:55,970 if you play games like Scrabble 434 00:21:02,239 --> 00:20:59,269 you know there's mounting evidence that 435 00:21:04,269 --> 00:21:02,249 that keeps the brain healthy it's in a 436 00:21:06,739 --> 00:21:04,279 way it's like muscle tissue if you 437 00:21:08,869 --> 00:21:06,749 exercise is and you'll have a healthy 438 00:21:14,389 --> 00:21:08,879 body and if you don't then you know well 439 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:14,399 then you won't so but the research is 440 00:21:18,649 --> 00:21:16,830 pretty good and I'm almost wondering if 441 00:21:20,060 --> 00:21:18,659 there's like this win though like you 442 00:21:22,940 --> 00:21:20,070 really have to do a lot of this before 443 00:21:24,859 --> 00:21:22,950 you're 30 because a lot of people that's 444 00:21:27,859 --> 00:21:24,869 you know that's about the time they 445 00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:27,869 finish grad school so keep keep using 446 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:43,799 the brain Palmer can you please turn off 447 00:21:57,019 --> 00:21:50,749 caller can you please take my radio off 448 00:22:09,680 --> 00:21:57,029 in the background there you go baby this 449 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:13,759 yeah do you really go by Jim Bob well 450 00:22:17,299 --> 00:22:16,289 actually my name is Jim but I put Jim 451 00:22:19,369 --> 00:22:17,309 Bob on there because 452 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:19,379 so many jimbob's on their gyms on 453 00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:21,809 Facebook well that's true my father's 454 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:24,419 name was Jim it's a planet full of gems 455 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:26,940 yeah at least the northern half yeah so 456 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:29,610 Jim welcome what is dance what is the 457 00:22:34,879 --> 00:22:33,210 answer to your question the answer to 458 00:22:41,509 --> 00:22:34,889 the quiz question quiz question is 459 00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:41,519 depression oh we have a winner all right 460 00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:47,820 somebody else I'm sorry no go ahead I'm 461 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:50,820 saying something somebody else lost out 462 00:22:56,629 --> 00:22:53,940 because they apparently didn't get that 463 00:23:04,489 --> 00:22:56,639 and I take the voicemail picked up on me 464 00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:04,499 and I'm glad we have a winner just out 465 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:06,419 of curiosity were you on either of our 466 00:23:19,879 --> 00:23:16,710 sociopath lists I think I was are you 467 00:23:23,779 --> 00:23:19,889 were you on is your profession likely 468 00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:23,789 you're not likely to have sociopaths I'm 469 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:26,220 on the caregiver I'm like yo 470 00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,850 okay you're a good guy I'm one of the 471 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:31,740 good guys that's all about 100 472 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:35,070 sociopaths and yeah I work as a 473 00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:38,369 psychiatric assistant or you do I have 474 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:42,629 done so for yeah and eight 19 19 years 475 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:47,730 is that job has a a very high burnout 476 00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:49,529 rate I'm surprised you're still doing it 477 00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:53,220 after that many years well that's 478 00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:54,840 because I've had a chance to kill a few 479 00:24:01,039 --> 00:23:57,480 patients once in a while you know well 480 00:24:02,539 --> 00:24:01,049 even doubt yeah turns out if you can 481 00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:02,549 take one out 482 00:24:08,509 --> 00:24:05,820 I never killed a patient I got I got 483 00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:08,519 injured a lot in hospitals I had a thumb 484 00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,830 crushed I was putting a patient into a 485 00:24:17,539 --> 00:24:15,600 seclusion room and the doors were metal 486 00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,549 and I had my hand on the doorframe and 487 00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:19,799 he slammed the door and crushed my thumb 488 00:24:27,259 --> 00:24:23,549 and while I was trying to restrain a 489 00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:27,269 patient you got a heel and broke two 490 00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:27,860 ribs 491 00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,230 so well but still he's great work I'm 492 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:32,000 glad you're doing in a hundred it just 493 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:33,890 it takes a special kind of person to do 494 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:36,790 that work and my gosh to do it that long 495 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:40,010 yeah well I'm not working in security 496 00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:41,809 rooms and I'm not working with really 497 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:44,390 psychotic patients anymore so oh I was 498 00:24:51,370 --> 00:24:47,960 working with psychotic children seven 499 00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:51,380 seventeen that was my first nine years 500 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:52,340 in my career 501 00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:55,640 oh well that's really cool look what 502 00:25:03,909 --> 00:24:59,210 type of fellow around it's great to have 503 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:03,919 a fellow psych person on the line a lot 504 00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:06,230 of people people calling in Christie 505 00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:08,840 said I tried calling says to leave a 506 00:25:15,030 --> 00:25:10,700 message in the voicemail only best 507 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:15,040 because someone's mad all right yeah 508 00:25:21,789 --> 00:25:19,250 okay well what the producers figure that 509 00:25:25,659 --> 00:25:21,799 out and I've never actually done a price 510 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:25,669 or had a collar so NJ do you have a way 511 00:25:35,789 --> 00:25:28,280 to get his mailing address without him 512 00:25:39,419 --> 00:25:35,799 doing it over the air okay 513 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:39,429 okay he says he's good on your address 514 00:25:46,450 --> 00:25:43,070 yeah he's got me up on Facebook he knows 515 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:46,460 me okay I will mail your or Bluetooth 516 00:25:51,789 --> 00:25:48,130 thingy out tomorrow 517 00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:51,799 well that's fantastic then you can call 518 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:54,280 back and tell us what you think of it 519 00:25:58,030 --> 00:25:56,570 and thank you so much and you know 520 00:26:00,250 --> 00:25:58,040 you're the first person to ever call 521 00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:00,260 went on this show ten years from now 522 00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:02,270 when this shows really famous and then 523 00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,620 you know and I'm worth billions you can 524 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:06,080 say I was the first caller to ever call 525 00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:09,820 in oh yeah and I and I want a prize so 526 00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:12,559 yeah well thank you well thank you for 527 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:14,600 rolling in I hope you have a good 528 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:18,770 rubbing all right you guys stay here and 529 00:26:23,380 --> 00:26:21,500 listen to your show so okay all right 530 00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:23,390 and stay in the chat room take care 531 00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:28,820 about I mean Jim bye-bye well good we 532 00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:32,150 follow I got a caller somewhat historic 533 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:35,480 here on our fourth show and M and we'll 534 00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:37,550 we'll do this every week until I run out 535 00:26:43,659 --> 00:26:40,070 of gadgets to give away 536 00:26:46,539 --> 00:26:43,669 I'll do whatever I can to get people to 537 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:46,549 call in it's fun you saw how easy that 538 00:26:52,719 --> 00:26:48,710 was he called in check out a little bit 539 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:52,729 I'm I think before we go into another 540 00:26:58,479 --> 00:26:56,809 topic let's say we will do a couple more 541 00:27:02,289 --> 00:26:58,489 short articles and then we'll talk about 542 00:27:04,210 --> 00:27:02,299 OCD and you're welcome to call in if you 543 00:27:07,539 --> 00:27:04,220 want to talk about OCD maybe you know 544 00:27:09,249 --> 00:27:07,549 someone maybe you haven't but why don't 545 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:09,259 we take a little break here and when we 546 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:11,570 get back we will continue 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Inception Radio 618 00:31:40,670 --> 00:31:38,250 Network superior Wisconsin and welcome 619 00:31:42,050 --> 00:31:40,680 back folks hope you had a good breakfast 620 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:42,060 while you're waiting for us got 621 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:43,890 something to drink or eat or went to the 622 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:46,530 bathroom maybe even got an adult 623 00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:50,370 beverage and we have with us Christie 624 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:52,950 Christie was in the chat room and I 625 00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:55,170 tried to call in earlier and this time 626 00:31:59,050 --> 00:31:58,110 we have her how you doing Christie I'm 627 00:32:01,940 --> 00:31:59,060 good how are you 628 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:01,950 well I'm doing great 629 00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:06,090 we've we've had very nice weather and 630 00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:08,100 well we've had a lot of rain but I like 631 00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:09,990 weather but we've had kind of a very 632 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:12,120 nice day here in Maryland where are you 633 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:15,690 located what what's stay - um I mean I'm 634 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:18,510 in Glen Burnie Maryland you're in 635 00:32:23,420 --> 00:32:21,390 Maryland yep I'm in Glen Burnie Maryland 636 00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:23,430 I'm Burt oh my gosh 637 00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:24,750 well I've been Frederick and sort of in 638 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:27,150 the middle of Frederick County you're 639 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:30,750 probably already all of an hour away 640 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:34,140 right yep not too far about 45 minutes 641 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:35,880 to an hour yet not too far at all 642 00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:38,490 oh what a coincidence that's really 643 00:32:42,290 --> 00:32:39,120 great 644 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:42,300 well what during the bright Christie was 645 00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:44,310 sharing I think she talked a little bit 646 00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:46,830 a little bit of but on the chat room 647 00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:50,340 about a fear of mirrors and we would we 648 00:32:56,390 --> 00:32:54,780 would call that a phobia and you want to 649 00:32:59,650 --> 00:32:56,400 just explain to folks a little bit about 650 00:33:02,180 --> 00:32:59,660 how you feel about mirrors Christy oh 651 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:02,190 it's like it makes me think like there's 652 00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:03,690 something on the other side looking at 653 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:05,520 me or something can come through like 654 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:08,610 it's a gateway so if I'm like I bought 655 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:11,610 my I got a mirror from like a yard sale 656 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,010 for free and I haven't hung it yet but 657 00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:16,080 it's sitting backwards to where I can't 658 00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:18,150 see the mirror part against my wall 659 00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:20,070 because I don't like the mirrors to face 660 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,230 me like I have one on the back door of 661 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:24,720 my bedroom door but I keep a robe over 662 00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:25,530 it so that 663 00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:27,030 wait I can't see in the mirror and 664 00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:29,460 nothing can see me from the mirror I've 665 00:33:32,350 --> 00:33:31,230 never seen anything in the mirror but I 666 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:32,360 don't want to see anything in the mirror 667 00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:35,250 you know what phobias are generally 668 00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:39,060 learned do you do you recall an incident 669 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:41,550 when you were younger where something or 670 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:44,040 a movie I'm going to run the movie 671 00:33:50,510 --> 00:33:47,430 sometimes there you know you there would 672 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:50,520 be bad things and the mirrors was there 673 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:53,850 something that triggered this well you 674 00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:55,560 know I do watch a lot of scary movies 675 00:34:00,170 --> 00:33:57,960 but I remember one time when I was a kid 676 00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,180 I was up in Baltimore City with my 677 00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:03,000 cousin and she had her friends over and 678 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:06,870 they wanted to do the Bloody Mary and I 679 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,270 knew I didn't want to do it so and after 680 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,520 I did that it just freaked me out I 681 00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:13,200 don't know I like I never I won't get 682 00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:14,460 near them I won't touch them nothing 683 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:16,950 happened but I just won't get near them 684 00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:18,630 I won't go around them I don't want to 685 00:34:23,870 --> 00:34:21,659 be that I'm not familiar with Bloody 686 00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,880 Mary it's like you sit down yeah like 687 00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:25,679 you couldn't you go into like a room and 688 00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:27,630 Meniere's Dana and you say like Bloody 689 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:31,560 Mary like three times and then she's 690 00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:33,330 supposed to come out or like you'll see 691 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,860 the red dot or she'll be standing behind 692 00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:36,480 you to like kill you it was like a 693 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:38,280 childhood thing you know they have the 694 00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,740 Bloody Mary the black Aggie you know 695 00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:42,179 just stuff like that little things I 696 00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:43,830 think kids makeup the scary the other 697 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:45,419 kids well it worked for me because I'm 698 00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,870 37 and I'm so scared of mirrors so 699 00:34:53,899 --> 00:34:51,240 people actually sit down in front of a 700 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:53,909 mirror believing that there's some 701 00:35:00,080 --> 00:34:55,890 chance that some crazy woman's going to 702 00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:00,090 come out and kill them yeah yeah I think 703 00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:01,740 it was a crazy board kind of thing you 704 00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:03,990 know that struck me as long as a fun 705 00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,070 game oh no it's not it's not like it's 706 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:10,260 like basically you know how to have the 707 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:12,330 dares and the double dare not say oh you 708 00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:14,250 know some double dog dare you to go in 709 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,380 there and do it me I'll go in with 710 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:18,660 somebody but I wasn't going in by myself 711 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,380 because I you know I unlucky person like 712 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,660 so it's something working if this ever 713 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:26,460 worked it would work while I was in 714 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:28,050 there so I was like no I'm not going in 715 00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:29,970 by myself I'll go in with somebody else 716 00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:32,070 so at least I push them forward and run 717 00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:34,200 to get away from it so that way it 718 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:36,750 doesn't get me are you okay with the 719 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:44,580 well I never stood in in to a mirror 720 00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:46,630 with somebody I just prefer not to look 721 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:49,360 at them I prefer not to see them walk 722 00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:53,620 past it and like the giant ones like 723 00:35:57,870 --> 00:35:56,080 you're talking about like on a wall yeah 724 00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,880 I like it forward and like a steward yes 725 00:36:02,280 --> 00:35:59,920 yeah let's say you're a Penny's in your 726 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:02,290 walk by one of these gigantic mirrors he 727 00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:05,350 does not look in it I wouldn't walk past 728 00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:07,150 it I wouldn't go into the mirror section 729 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:09,640 they'd let me look at you know like that 730 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:11,050 wouldn't be the place where I went a 731 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:12,910 shot like I said when I was up there 732 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:15,550 because I found a rocking chair where 733 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:16,810 they you know there was a whole bunch of 734 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:18,910 stuff on the side of the road and I seen 735 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:20,980 the mirror and I pick it up and I put it 736 00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:22,780 backwards and so that way I don't you 737 00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:23,860 know and I couldn't tell you whether 738 00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:25,630 it's correct or whether it's not because 739 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:27,340 I don't look at that side you know my 740 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:30,130 old man when I come home hey look honey 741 00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:31,960 I found a mirror and looked like you 742 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:33,700 bought a mirror and I it's it's right 743 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:35,410 right like right I'm looking at it it's 744 00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:36,970 sitting backwards up against my wall 745 00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:41,470 just so amazingly I turn them over yeah 746 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:42,910 I turned them around so I don't have to 747 00:36:46,410 --> 00:36:44,290 see it somebody else might want to look 748 00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:46,420 at themselves but I don't need I don't 749 00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:48,460 want to I won't turn it around and look 750 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:50,440 at the lights are out I won't go where 751 00:36:57,810 --> 00:36:52,530 mirror I won't 752 00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:57,820 so this phobia isn't so severe that it'd 753 00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:01,030 be worthwhile to see a therapist or 754 00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:02,830 anything you're able to work around it 755 00:37:07,590 --> 00:37:05,140 oh yeah yeah I mean I just turned him 756 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:07,600 around me my biggest fear is Heights 757 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:09,820 like I don't go up high we went through 758 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:13,290 the UM down in Virginia and they had the 759 00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:17,410 UM we went to the air museum they're in 760 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:19,600 Space Museum and they have the little 761 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:20,950 thing that you go in the elevator and 762 00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:24,370 come out oh yeah that was I was crying I 763 00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:29,590 don't lose crying that's it sobbing it 764 00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:39,400 was like there is a thought there's a 765 00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:43,950 form of acrophobia where a person 766 00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:46,590 doesn't need to be like out on a balcony 767 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:48,940 if they just know that they're on the 768 00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:50,530 hundredth floor of something they have 769 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:52,600 to go down to the first floor even if 770 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:53,150 there's no 771 00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:56,170 those just knowing that they're right hi 772 00:38:01,989 --> 00:37:59,230 that's some more beer okay well I'm okay 773 00:38:03,579 --> 00:38:01,999 yeah I'm okay with it like until I go up 774 00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,589 and see like we went to the baseball 775 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:05,599 game and we were all the way up and when 776 00:38:10,359 --> 00:38:07,970 you're in Camden Yards you can't see how 777 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:10,369 far you up how far up you are so when I 778 00:38:15,339 --> 00:38:13,490 walked out I've liked the stairway and I 779 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:15,349 was like oh my god like I was in the 780 00:38:19,269 --> 00:38:16,970 bathroom crying I thought I sure had to 781 00:38:22,059 --> 00:38:19,279 walk me up the steps while I had my hand 782 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:22,069 over my office to sit me down and I just 783 00:38:25,450 --> 00:38:23,930 looked straight ahead the whole time I 784 00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:25,460 didn't even see the whole base like I 785 00:38:28,749 --> 00:38:26,630 didn't see any of the baseball game 786 00:38:30,819 --> 00:38:28,759 because I'm not looking down it just 787 00:38:35,499 --> 00:38:30,829 makes me feel like okay I'm gonna go 788 00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:35,509 over or it's going to come down rock 789 00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:39,680 what about ride to the carnival oh no I 790 00:38:45,009 --> 00:38:42,680 have a 9 year old and he wanted to get 791 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:45,019 on the ferris wheel he wanted to get on 792 00:38:51,999 --> 00:38:49,880 the ferris wheel so much yes there me 793 00:38:53,739 --> 00:38:52,009 and my boyfriend and him we get on the 794 00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:53,749 ferris wheel this is the kids ferris 795 00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:55,700 wheel there like for all and goes around 796 00:39:00,279 --> 00:38:59,119 at Ocean City so I'm sitting there with 797 00:39:03,009 --> 00:39:00,289 my eyes closed 798 00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,019 they'll put my hand over my face like it 799 00:39:07,299 --> 00:39:05,119 is let me know when I'm back down on the 800 00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:07,309 ground and it was I mean not even ten 801 00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:10,009 feet up in the air but I don't I won't 802 00:39:15,339 --> 00:39:13,390 sleep on top of a bunk bed like I just I 803 00:39:23,799 --> 00:39:15,349 don't know I don't mess what the heights 804 00:39:27,249 --> 00:39:23,809 at all I like to be ya know a little 805 00:39:28,809 --> 00:39:27,259 weird about the world oh well everybody 806 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:28,819 does I've never I don't think I've ever 807 00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:30,890 talked to someone that didn't you know 808 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:33,140 have a phobia when we talk about phobias 809 00:39:39,489 --> 00:39:36,170 in class I I asked my students does 810 00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:39,499 anyone not have a phobia and once in a 811 00:39:43,989 --> 00:39:41,569 while one person who raised their hand 812 00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:43,999 but it seems like everybody has at least 813 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:47,960 one you know my mind is probably deep 814 00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:50,569 water they don't swim well so if I'm 815 00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:53,660 walking by deep water my stomach drops 816 00:39:58,479 --> 00:39:55,849 but you know we'll have to do a show on 817 00:40:02,259 --> 00:39:58,489 phobias kinda that will get a lot of 818 00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:02,269 people call in so well we're going to 819 00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:05,569 move on we're going to move on to OCD 820 00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:06,540 I'm thank you 821 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:09,060 so much for calling in and please do 822 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:13,200 call again I don't work we'll have 823 00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,930 another contest next weekend it was nice 824 00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:18,240 to meet you it's always nice to see you 825 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:21,270 in the chat room all right thank you so 826 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:25,250 much you're welcome take Sara Christine 827 00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:30,810 oh my gosh two callers in one evening 828 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:34,620 that's just this is wonderful the I can 829 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:36,930 I could see I could see easily if you 830 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,730 had a lot of callers how you could do 831 00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:41,280 I wonder how some I mean I love radio I 832 00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:45,000 listen to a British radio station a lot 833 00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:46,980 LBC and they have people that do five 834 00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:47,550 hour 835 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:51,510 talk shows but people call in so you 836 00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:53,490 know they've got they have that 837 00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:56,940 interaction when you do a show like this 838 00:41:00,370 --> 00:40:58,320 because I don't have a partner and I 839 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:00,380 generally don't have guests I have to 840 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:04,050 you know I get a little paranoid I'm not 841 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:07,890 gonna have enough material or I'm gonna 842 00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:10,230 blank out too often what I'm trying to 843 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:12,300 look things up but let's talk about 844 00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:16,050 let's talk about OCD here for for a 845 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:19,980 moment this is first let's start with 846 00:41:26,330 --> 00:41:23,730 what OCD is not okay OCD is not just 847 00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,340 someone who's neat you know a lot of 848 00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:28,560 times people will say oh I'm OCD I keep 849 00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:30,870 my destiny or whatever that's that's 850 00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:34,760 just me in particular or being neat 851 00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:37,950 people that have OCD sufferer I mean 852 00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:40,320 they really suffer it is an awful awful 853 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:44,150 disorder and and it's it's you know it's 854 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:47,010 neatness could be their thing it could 855 00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:49,560 be one half of it but you but you know 856 00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:51,030 you got to think about the name 857 00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:52,110 obsessive 858 00:41:58,070 --> 00:41:55,590 - compulsive disorder and you think of a 859 00:42:01,310 --> 00:41:58,080 dog chasing its tail first we have 860 00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:01,320 obsessive thoughts and a very common OCD 861 00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,470 is contamination so the person starts 862 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:06,720 thinking my hands have germs on them and 863 00:42:10,850 --> 00:42:08,970 the thoughts are intrusive they can't 864 00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:10,860 control them when when thoughts get 865 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:13,470 stronger and stronger and then they have 866 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:16,170 to go wash their hands okay now that's 867 00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:18,570 the compulsive part so the obsessive 868 00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:20,190 part is thinking it 869 00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:23,400 skog 'native and a compulsive part is 870 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:26,339 behavioral and the compulsive part or in 871 00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:29,690 this case the hand-washing temporarily 872 00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:32,609 eases the the anxious thoughts because 873 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:34,950 of a CD is technically an anxiety 874 00:42:42,490 --> 00:42:38,700 disorder so you know when we look at the 875 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:42,500 diagnostic right here area we see 876 00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:45,089 presence of obsessions compulsions are 877 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:47,790 both recurrent earnt and persistent 878 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:49,530 thoughts urges or impulses that are 879 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:51,210 experienced at some time during the 880 00:42:58,220 --> 00:42:54,210 disturbance as intrusive and unwanted 881 00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,230 and causes anxiety and number two the 882 00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:00,000 individuals it's attempts to ignore 883 00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:03,569 suppress such thoughts urges or whatever 884 00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:06,990 are that they don't work okay that's our 885 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:09,720 obsessive part and our compulsive part 886 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:11,970 is repetitive behavior such as 887 00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,880 hand-washing or putting things in order 888 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:17,280 or checking or mental acts and then 889 00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,650 again the behavior is you know the 890 00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,900 person does not feel like they have any 891 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:24,180 control they feel like they that they 892 00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:26,730 must do this and then they throw in some 893 00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:28,680 caveats they always do that 894 00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:31,140 disturbance is not better explained by 895 00:43:37,339 --> 00:43:34,619 another mental disorder the OCD symptoms 896 00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:37,349 are not attributable to who for example 897 00:43:44,059 --> 00:43:41,819 taking a drug the obsessions or 898 00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:44,069 compulsion and so have to be time 899 00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:45,750 consuming they have to take more than 900 00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:48,060 one hour per day but that would be a 901 00:43:56,420 --> 00:43:53,369 pretty mild a pretty mild case I do have 902 00:44:00,859 --> 00:43:56,430 some a couple case histories that I want 903 00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:00,869 to share with you just to show you show 904 00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:03,960 you how how bad they can be let's see 905 00:44:14,059 --> 00:44:05,000 here 906 00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,069 now this patient was I think it was 907 00:44:19,099 --> 00:44:16,680 third is thirty years old we scroll down 908 00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:19,109 here okay 909 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:23,460 thirty year old man severe OCD with 910 00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,650 obsessive thinking and ruminating 911 00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:27,540 thoughts and repeatedly checking 912 00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,910 behavior now checking behavior means 913 00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:32,040 checking that I locked a door that I 914 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:32,960 turn and 915 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:36,170 the oven off they have to check 916 00:44:42,670 --> 00:44:39,650 something and in his case the the 917 00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:42,680 checking behavior left him almost unable 918 00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:45,740 to leave the house or fulfill tasks in 919 00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:47,510 the OCD started when he was seven or 920 00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:50,270 eight so at the time this was written he 921 00:44:56,770 --> 00:44:52,940 had been suffering with this for 22 922 00:45:01,000 --> 00:44:56,780 years and you know as an example of the 923 00:45:03,339 --> 00:45:01,010 checking a person might lock their door 924 00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:03,349 and then as their walk into the car they 925 00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:05,990 start thinking did I lock the door I'll 926 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:08,300 go back and check and then go back and 927 00:45:12,010 --> 00:45:10,130 they and they lock the door again but 928 00:45:13,660 --> 00:45:12,020 you know they check and as they walk 929 00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:13,670 back to the car they think well what if 930 00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:16,670 when I turned the key back to pull it 931 00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:18,559 out I went too far and I unlocked the 932 00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:21,500 door okay well you can see how this can 933 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:24,020 get to be a terrible cycle and there 934 00:45:28,329 --> 00:45:25,849 there are people who have days where 935 00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:28,339 they simply give up and they don't go to 936 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:29,960 work they don't leave their house 937 00:45:36,370 --> 00:45:31,970 because they can't get past the checking 938 00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:36,380 in another case history of a woman had 939 00:45:44,349 --> 00:45:39,190 to have all of her toiletries and stuff 940 00:45:46,059 --> 00:45:44,359 neatly lined up on the behind the sink 941 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:46,069 you know between the sink in the mirror 942 00:45:51,069 --> 00:45:49,490 sorry Christy and as she would leave the 943 00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:51,079 house you would wonder if something 944 00:45:56,829 --> 00:45:54,200 wasn't quite in order so she had to go 945 00:45:58,599 --> 00:45:56,839 back and check it and another OCD 946 00:46:01,809 --> 00:45:58,609 behavior she had was that she had to 947 00:46:03,549 --> 00:46:01,819 talk as she walked along she had to 948 00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:03,559 touch the top of anything she could 949 00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:06,260 reach so she might go back after the 950 00:46:10,510 --> 00:46:08,030 bathroom see that all the toiletries are 951 00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:10,520 lined up precisely get to the front door 952 00:46:14,650 --> 00:46:12,710 and then wonder if she touched the top 953 00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:14,660 of the bathroom door on her way out so 954 00:46:18,099 --> 00:46:17,180 she would go back and do that and in her 955 00:46:19,809 --> 00:46:18,109 case history 956 00:46:23,799 --> 00:46:19,819 she you know she noted that there were 957 00:46:26,109 --> 00:46:23,809 times that she simply would give up and 958 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:26,119 stay home that day and then getting back 959 00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:29,930 to our other patient he has to check the 960 00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:32,270 tap the the water taps are not dripping 961 00:46:36,490 --> 00:46:35,180 make sure that things are empty make 962 00:46:38,289 --> 00:46:36,500 sure that he's always put away 963 00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:38,299 everything you should make sure he has 964 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:40,040 turned things off close when those check 965 00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:42,170 pockets counting money I mean this is 966 00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:44,150 really severe II he doesn't have one or 967 00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:46,190 two things he's keyed in on yeah 968 00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:48,920 to check everything and when he takes a 969 00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:50,870 shower or it takes him a very long time 970 00:46:55,390 --> 00:46:53,480 because he has to get his clean clothes 971 00:46:57,570 --> 00:46:55,400 and checked them at least five times 972 00:47:01,090 --> 00:46:57,580 before he can take them into the shower 973 00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:01,100 it takes Tim it takes five times before 974 00:47:05,470 --> 00:47:03,380 he believes that he has clean clothes 975 00:47:08,530 --> 00:47:05,480 then he has to shower in a certain 976 00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:08,540 sequence and if he gets out of sequence 977 00:47:12,610 --> 00:47:10,460 he has to start the shower over again 978 00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:12,620 and then when he's out of the shower he 979 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:14,990 has to dry himself in a certain sequence 980 00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:17,330 and again if it gets interrupted or 981 00:47:21,610 --> 00:47:20,870 thinks he missed an area he starts all 982 00:47:24,490 --> 00:47:21,620 over again 983 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:24,500 that can cause a shower for him to take 984 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:27,890 several hours so you can imagine you 985 00:47:35,650 --> 00:47:30,650 know how out of control 986 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:35,660 these OCD patients can get and a lot of 987 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:37,730 them do end up housebound they just 988 00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:40,130 simply can't leave the house because 989 00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:42,110 they're never quite sure that they've 990 00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:45,350 finished checking something or in the 991 00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:48,380 case of people that have contamination 992 00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:51,190 their behavior might be noted at work 993 00:47:57,060 --> 00:47:53,750 and they might be seen as odd or unusual 994 00:48:00,580 --> 00:47:57,070 because they're constantly you know 1 1 995 00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:00,590 in 1 case history this guy was it was 996 00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:02,510 just constantly cleaning his desk and 997 00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,300 then he would clean his chair and then 998 00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:06,800 he'd sit down and work for a few minutes 999 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:08,270 and then he would do the whole thing 1000 00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:10,850 over again he eventually lost his job 1001 00:48:19,710 --> 00:48:14,630 over the UM the rather bar bizarre 1002 00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:19,720 behavior I think I have a list here of 1003 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:26,510 some famous some famous cases let me see 1004 00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:31,250 if this is that list nope I have a list 1005 00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:32,710 here somewhere 1006 00:48:44,770 --> 00:48:36,830 I'm sorry that I didn't have it a little 1007 00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:44,780 more handy severe OCD 10 famous OCD case 1008 00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:47,300 histories ok here we go some of these 1009 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:48,740 you probably knew 1010 00:48:55,570 --> 00:48:53,330 Nikola Tesla not first of all if you 1011 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:55,580 have read anything about him and he 1012 00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:56,930 certainly plays a role in in the 1013 00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,440 paranormal world 1014 00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,680 so I'm sure a lot of you do the guy was 1015 00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:04,020 he was a genius and he had an eidetic 1016 00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:06,510 memory which was more common they called 1017 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:09,030 a photographic memory he basically 1018 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:11,850 couldn't forget anything he would design 1019 00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,300 the most complicated devices and never 1020 00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:17,160 write anything down because he was 1021 00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,580 unable to forget the order and if you've 1022 00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:21,960 ever fooled around with electronics 1023 00:49:28,610 --> 00:49:25,110 that's pretty hard but he he had a germ 1024 00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,620 phobia similar to Howard Hughes Tesla 1025 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:31,260 was obsessed with the number three so 1026 00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:33,090 before entering a building he would 1027 00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:34,740 often feel the urge to walk around the 1028 00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:37,470 block three times or he might knock on 1029 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:41,400 the door or three times he would try to 1030 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:43,230 figure out if the amount of guests that 1031 00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:45,090 he had in his home because he didn't 1032 00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:48,120 entertain a lot was divisible by three 1033 00:49:54,580 --> 00:49:52,230 and he always used 18 napkins it would 1034 00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:54,590 not eat alone in the company of a woman 1035 00:50:01,520 --> 00:49:57,720 he also developed a phobia of around 1036 00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:01,530 objects particularly woman's earrings so 1037 00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:04,110 you had a lot of OCD tendencies I don't 1038 00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:05,310 want to run out of time so let's keep 1039 00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:05,900 going 1040 00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:09,030 let's see Jean I think this is an 1041 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:11,670 assumed name it was a 30 year old male 1042 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:14,130 case recorded by French psychiatrist 1043 00:50:23,660 --> 00:50:17,970 Pierre's Dante in his classic text 1044 00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,670 obsessions and psychos tinea his patient 1045 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:25,680 felt the need to constantly check his 1046 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:28,650 own heartbeat and it he became anxious 1047 00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:30,710 at the slightest the irregular your 1048 00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:33,240 irregularity so here's a guy that 1049 00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,070 constantly thought that if he didn't 1050 00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:36,720 think his heart his heart would stop 1051 00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:37,260 beating 1052 00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:39,510 despite his healthiness he was unable to 1053 00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:41,940 attend funerals or him passed in front 1054 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:43,950 of his local town hall when 1055 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:45,930 announcements of deaths were taking 1056 00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:49,260 place so he sort of had you know a 1057 00:50:55,580 --> 00:50:53,070 combination of a death fear and he was 1058 00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,590 obsessed with his heartbeat Jean also 1059 00:51:01,400 --> 00:50:58,400 had an obsession with his own genitals 1060 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:01,410 suffering great pain as a result they 1061 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:03,570 don't explain that oh he would spend 1062 00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:06,090 days at a time rubbing pointment on the 1063 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:09,180 area well maybe that was more than you 1064 00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:10,910 wanted to know 1065 00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:14,510 Martin Luther it is a little known fact 1066 00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:17,030 that the Protestant Reformation leader 1067 00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:19,369 Martin Luther suffered from obsessions 1068 00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:22,990 and repetitive patterns of thoughts 1069 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:25,849 Luther described feelings of fleshy lust 1070 00:51:32,049 --> 00:51:29,260 wrath hatred or envy against any brother 1071 00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:32,059 which constantly vexed him in other 1072 00:51:35,470 --> 00:51:33,980 words he had obsessions of hurting 1073 00:51:38,859 --> 00:51:35,480 people that he cared about and that's 1074 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:38,869 not an uncommon obsessional thought that 1075 00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:41,210 you're going to do bad to someone that 1076 00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,020 you cared about let's see then there's 1077 00:51:51,099 --> 00:51:48,640 Ernst Lancer also known as the rat man a 1078 00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:51,109 patient who first came to Sigmund Freud 1079 00:51:55,930 --> 00:51:54,020 in 1907 ernst lancer became a classic 1080 00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:55,940 case for the founding father of 1081 00:52:01,480 --> 00:51:58,880 psychoanalysis Lance's kin Lancers 1082 00:52:03,309 --> 00:52:01,490 condition was marked by a number of 1083 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:03,319 obsessive thoughts the most notable of 1084 00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:05,569 which was an intense fear that a female 1085 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:08,510 friend whom he eventually married and 1086 00:52:12,839 --> 00:52:10,250 his father would be tortured using a 1087 00:52:15,069 --> 00:52:12,849 bizarre Chinese method involving a rat 1088 00:52:16,809 --> 00:52:15,079 Lance are also complained of other 1089 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:16,819 obsessive thoughts such as cutting his 1090 00:52:22,089 --> 00:52:19,490 own throat with a razor so that these 1091 00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:22,099 are more along the lines of intrusive 1092 00:52:29,140 --> 00:52:27,440 thoughts Thomas Stonewall Jackson one of 1093 00:52:31,390 --> 00:52:29,150 the most brilliant commanders on either 1094 00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:31,400 side of the American Civil War this is 1095 00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:33,619 the author speaking I'm not a historian 1096 00:52:41,650 --> 00:52:37,849 so I don't know let's see so what was 1097 00:52:44,109 --> 00:52:41,660 his he had a he was considered 1098 00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:44,119 appallingly bad largely because of his 1099 00:52:47,260 --> 00:52:44,960 Patti ups 1100 00:52:48,970 --> 00:52:47,270 best of approach to discipline and his 1101 00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:48,980 inability to communicate with his 1102 00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,049 students he was secretive and 1103 00:52:57,849 --> 00:52:54,400 anti-social rarely seeking out company 1104 00:52:59,650 --> 00:52:57,859 he had a habit of lifting the longer arm 1105 00:53:02,019 --> 00:52:59,660 into the air to balance out his 1106 00:53:06,010 --> 00:53:02,029 circulation so you know he had a 1107 00:53:08,609 --> 00:53:06,020 combination of OCD and just a little bit 1108 00:53:12,460 --> 00:53:08,619 of what we might call though affective 1109 00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:12,470 disorder as well I mean he was there was 1110 00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:13,910 a lot going on there and then then 1111 00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:15,710 Howard Hughes you know I didn't see that 1112 00:53:21,549 --> 00:53:18,710 move with me but I imagine somebody who 1113 00:53:23,579 --> 00:53:21,559 did I mean just anyone in the chat room 1114 00:53:25,729 --> 00:53:23,589 here see the movie 1115 00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:25,739 see if what we're talking about here 1116 00:53:32,969 --> 00:53:30,660 let's see it did anyone see in the movie 1117 00:53:35,009 --> 00:53:32,979 looking here if just flipping through it 1118 00:53:37,499 --> 00:53:35,019 real quick I'm sorry that a tear 1119 00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:37,509 supposed to be a really bad thing but he 1120 00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:41,920 was it was a very very famous a very 1121 00:53:51,569 --> 00:53:48,609 very famous OCD case okay let's see and 1122 00:53:55,319 --> 00:53:51,579 in his OCD you've made him insane I mean 1123 00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:55,329 absolutely insane now his his OCD was 1124 00:54:02,429 --> 00:54:00,640 based on on terms the symptoms included 1125 00:54:04,799 --> 00:54:02,439 a morbid fear of germs and his early 1126 00:54:07,799 --> 00:54:04,809 obsession with peas and sorting them by 1127 00:54:09,479 --> 00:54:07,809 size you imagine getting of serving a 1128 00:54:12,449 --> 00:54:09,489 peas and before you ate em you would 1129 00:54:14,339 --> 00:54:12,459 sort them by size although Hughes had 1130 00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:14,349 suffered mood swings and obsessions as a 1131 00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:16,089 younger man following his near fatal 1132 00:54:22,739 --> 00:54:19,809 plane crash in 46 the symptoms seemed to 1133 00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:22,749 get worse and that's not surprising a 1134 00:54:27,919 --> 00:54:25,689 knock to the head which we call cerebral 1135 00:54:31,859 --> 00:54:27,929 insults can exacerbate a lot of 1136 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:31,869 psychiatric disorders he refused to 1137 00:54:36,419 --> 00:54:33,729 leave his screening room for months 1138 00:54:39,299 --> 00:54:36,429 living entirely on milk chocolate and 1139 00:54:41,789 --> 00:54:39,309 chicken and relieving himself in the 1140 00:54:43,769 --> 00:54:41,799 empty containers he gave orders for his 1141 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:43,779 aides not dissipating em unless he 1142 00:54:48,029 --> 00:54:46,329 specifically asked him to towards the 1143 00:54:51,479 --> 00:54:48,039 end of his life Hughes condition 1144 00:54:54,689 --> 00:54:51,489 worsened and the former womanizer began 1145 00:54:56,669 --> 00:54:54,699 to shun all social contact at the time 1146 00:54:59,309 --> 00:54:56,679 of his death from kidney failure his 1147 00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,319 beard and fingernails had both grown out 1148 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:02,319 of control mainly due to his aversion to 1149 00:55:05,999 --> 00:55:03,249 being touched 1150 00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:06,009 it's kind of ironic that he had a fear 1151 00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:09,160 of germs and his fear of germs caused 1152 00:55:13,890 --> 00:55:12,279 him to end up kind of disgusting you 1153 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:13,900 know he when you think of long long 1154 00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,329 fingernails that he wouldn't touch they 1155 00:55:21,419 --> 00:55:18,880 had to be dirty he also suffered from 1156 00:55:26,269 --> 00:55:21,429 malnutrition reportedly had a body 1157 00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:26,279 weight of just 90 pounds when he died so 1158 00:55:30,539 --> 00:55:29,049 and and there certainly is and when you 1159 00:55:32,009 --> 00:55:30,549 look at this list I didn't read all of 1160 00:55:36,329 --> 00:55:32,019 them to you there is a correlation 1161 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:36,339 between intelligence and being a little 1162 00:55:40,809 --> 00:55:37,490 bit crazy 1163 00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:40,819 and you know here we have very famous 1164 00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:43,940 people that were that all of them or you 1165 00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:45,319 know they were extremely bright be 1166 00:55:51,309 --> 00:55:47,750 people when they had OCD and other 1167 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:51,319 famous people you know had I'm thinking 1168 00:55:57,849 --> 00:55:55,690 of when was that John Nash the 1169 00:56:00,099 --> 00:55:57,859 mathematician what was that movie called 1170 00:56:03,549 --> 00:56:00,109 all to something mind a beautiful mind I 1171 00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:03,559 don't know I forgot but you know he he 1172 00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:06,790 had a severe case of schizophrenia 1173 00:56:15,609 --> 00:56:13,150 though the movie shows visual you know 1174 00:56:18,130 --> 00:56:15,619 hallucinations but that's because it's a 1175 00:56:21,490 --> 00:56:18,140 movie all of his hallucinations were 1176 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:21,500 actually auditory visual hallucinations 1177 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:25,130 are actually fairly rare but you know to 1178 00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:27,770 wrap this up that the point is is that 1179 00:56:34,690 --> 00:56:32,420 people with OCD be suffer they their day 1180 00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:34,700 is full of intrusive thoughts they can 1181 00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,760 control compulsive behaviors that they 1182 00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:39,440 believe we're gonna make the thoughts go 1183 00:56:44,410 --> 00:56:42,140 away and then that and then the whole 1184 00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:44,420 cycle starts over again so as I said 1185 00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:47,150 it's kind of like a dog chasing its tail 1186 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:49,790 only at you know they never they never 1187 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:53,420 get a break some of these folks end up 1188 00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:55,970 on disability because they they can't 1189 00:57:01,450 --> 00:56:58,250 leave their homes because they can never 1190 00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:01,460 be convinced that they finished checking 1191 00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,510 something or and and in the case of one 1192 00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:08,240 woman I read she would wash all the 1193 00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:12,440 clothes in her house every day she was 1194 00:57:18,099 --> 00:57:15,740 married and had two kids and when she 1195 00:57:19,870 --> 00:57:18,109 was finished washing all the clothes she 1196 00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:19,880 would worry that she missed an item of 1197 00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:22,190 clothing so she would start over so 1198 00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:25,460 there were days that she might spend 12 1199 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:27,910 plus hours just washing clothes I 1200 00:57:33,579 --> 00:57:30,170 assumed till she fell asleep got 1201 00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,589 exhausted or was forcibly prevented from 1202 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:36,559 doing so anyway we were at the top of 1203 00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:38,930 the hour so it's time to say goodbye 1204 00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:41,540 thank you to our callers I really 1205 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:45,200 appreciate that that was fun and please 1206 00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:49,369 stay tuned for more live radio at 9 p.m. 1207 00:57:57,219 --> 00:57:53,150 with the pang radio again MJ and can 1208 00:57:59,559 --> 00:57:57,229 their guests Adrian Lee and more in a 1209 00:58:01,569 --> 00:57:59,569 hint Lorna hunter and they'll be 1210 00:58:04,269 --> 00:58:01,579 discussing their paranormal research and 1211 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:04,279 the Minnesota Paracon which is coming up 1212 00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,890 so that's just a just in another hour 1213 00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:09,440 and next week you gonna have a longer 1214 00:58:14,249 --> 00:58:10,940 than usual show because we'll have 1215 00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:14,259 Anthony Cummins a real live pirate I 1216 00:58:20,049 --> 00:58:16,670 hope you folks have a good week